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		<title>By: BlackBerry Cool &#187; ThoughtPiece: Why the BlackBerry 8800 Has No Camera (Yet)</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-47773</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackBerry Cool &#187; ThoughtPiece: Why the BlackBerry 8800 Has No Camera (Yet)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Iâ€™ve remarked before how business models often determine the fate of product models, and my working theory is that it is a pure business decision that dictated the lack of camera on the 8800. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Iâ€™ve remarked before how business models often determine the fate of product models, and my working theory is that it is a pure business decision that dictated the lack of camera on the 8800. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GG</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-40860</link>
		<dc:creator>GG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not snorting anything, awesome.  RIM is losing market share (up to 5% in the first half of this year) now.  Granted, they are still the market leader.  Being first to market can do that for an organization.  There is a reason for this:  competition.  Competition from the hardware vendors like Motorola, Nokia, etc., as well as the software folks like Good and MSFT.  If you consider the enterprise a &#039;niche&#039;, then Good is a &#039;niche player&#039;.  However, Good has not seen the need to give away free servers, ie, BES Express, to maintain share.  The end-to-end suppliers may work in the consumer, MP3 player space, but it will not in the enterprise.  Never has.  As for BB Connect, why has no American carrier announced support for this product that was announced over 3 years ago?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not snorting anything, awesome.  RIM is losing market share (up to 5% in the first half of this year) now.  Granted, they are still the market leader.  Being first to market can do that for an organization.  There is a reason for this:  competition.  Competition from the hardware vendors like Motorola, Nokia, etc., as well as the software folks like Good and MSFT.  If you consider the enterprise a &#8216;niche&#8217;, then Good is a &#8216;niche player&#8217;.  However, Good has not seen the need to give away free servers, ie, BES Express, to maintain share.  The end-to-end suppliers may work in the consumer, MP3 player space, but it will not in the enterprise.  Never has.  As for BB Connect, why has no American carrier announced support for this product that was announced over 3 years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: GG</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-483262</link>
		<dc:creator>GG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not snorting anything, awesome.  RIM is losing market share (up to 5% in the first half of this year) now.  Granted, they are still the market leader.  Being first to market can do that for an organization.  There is a reason for this:  competition.  Competition from the hardware vendors like Motorola, Nokia, etc., as well as the software folks like Good and MSFT.  If you consider the enterprise a &#039;niche&#039;, then Good is a &#039;niche player&#039;.  However, Good has not seen the need to give away free servers, ie, BES Express, to maintain share.  The end-to-end suppliers may work in the consumer, MP3 player space, but it will not in the enterprise.  Never has.  As for BB Connect, why has no American carrier announced support for this product that was announced over 3 years ago?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not snorting anything, awesome.  RIM is losing market share (up to 5% in the first half of this year) now.  Granted, they are still the market leader.  Being first to market can do that for an organization.  There is a reason for this:  competition.  Competition from the hardware vendors like Motorola, Nokia, etc., as well as the software folks like Good and MSFT.  If you consider the enterprise a &#8216;niche&#8217;, then Good is a &#8216;niche player&#8217;.  However, Good has not seen the need to give away free servers, ie, BES Express, to maintain share.  The end-to-end suppliers may work in the consumer, MP3 player space, but it will not in the enterprise.  Never has.  As for BB Connect, why has no American carrier announced support for this product that was announced over 3 years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Awesome -O</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-40291</link>
		<dc:creator>Awesome -O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no, thank you Thought for your very intelligent and insightful analysis! 

very encouraging to see someone who understands what&#039;s really going on in this space.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, thank you Thought for your very intelligent and insightful analysis! </p>
<p>very encouraging to see someone who understands what&#8217;s really going on in this space.</p>
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		<title>By: Awesome -O</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-483261</link>
		<dc:creator>Awesome -O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no, thank you Thought for your very intelligent and insightful analysis! 

very encouraging to see someone who understands what&#039;s really going on in this space.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, thank you Thought for your very intelligent and insightful analysis! </p>
<p>very encouraging to see someone who understands what&#8217;s really going on in this space.</p>
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		<title>By: Thought</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-40259</link>
		<dc:creator>Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, I&#039;d like to thank both GG and Awesome-O.  It&#039;s always an honor to have someone take their valuable time and consider one&#039;s thoughts.

As for Good Technology, I consider them to be more of a niche player right now in this market. I just don&#039;t see this company as having nearly the same market heft or resources as Microsoft.  

As for Apple, you are correct in that Apple&#039;s unwillingness to license their operating system to outside hardware vendors crippled their efforts and allowed Microsoft to assume dominance.   When I mention Microsoft taking over the enterprise segment early in the game, I am referring to one of the outcomes of that decision.

However, I believe that RIM has a very effective safety valve to prevent this type of lockout in the market, and that is their Blackberry Connect solution.  I will discuss BB Connect and its implications in a future post. 

As an aside, I will say that Apple&#039;s end-to-end model has made something of a comeback, and some think that in this &quot;post-PC&quot; era that this is the winning model.  Quoting Walt Mossberg in the Wall Street Journal:
&quot;I think the end-to-end model can prevail this time, both for Apple and other companies. Consumers want choice and low prices. But they also crave the kind of simplicity and integration that the end-to-end model delivers best.&quot;  Mossberg&#039;s article is a good introduction to this hypothesis...you can read it &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114729881894749433-ORYg5V1P3c0KNb715LUzZq56SQ4_20060609.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I&#8217;d like to thank both GG and Awesome-O.  It&#8217;s always an honor to have someone take their valuable time and consider one&#8217;s thoughts.</p>
<p>As for Good Technology, I consider them to be more of a niche player right now in this market. I just don&#8217;t see this company as having nearly the same market heft or resources as Microsoft.  </p>
<p>As for Apple, you are correct in that Apple&#8217;s unwillingness to license their operating system to outside hardware vendors crippled their efforts and allowed Microsoft to assume dominance.   When I mention Microsoft taking over the enterprise segment early in the game, I am referring to one of the outcomes of that decision.</p>
<p>However, I believe that RIM has a very effective safety valve to prevent this type of lockout in the market, and that is their Blackberry Connect solution.  I will discuss BB Connect and its implications in a future post. </p>
<p>As an aside, I will say that Apple&#8217;s end-to-end model has made something of a comeback, and some think that in this &#8220;post-PC&#8221; era that this is the winning model.  Quoting Walt Mossberg in the Wall Street Journal:<br />
&#8220;I think the end-to-end model can prevail this time, both for Apple and other companies. Consumers want choice and low prices. But they also crave the kind of simplicity and integration that the end-to-end model delivers best.&#8221;  Mossberg&#8217;s article is a good introduction to this hypothesis&#8230;you can read it <a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114729881894749433-ORYg5V1P3c0KNb715LUzZq56SQ4_20060609.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thought</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-483260</link>
		<dc:creator>Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, I&#039;d like to thank both GG and Awesome-O.  It&#039;s always an honor to have someone take their valuable time and consider one&#039;s thoughts.

As for Good Technology, I consider them to be more of a niche player right now in this market. I just don&#039;t see this company as having nearly the same market heft or resources as Microsoft.  

As for Apple, you are correct in that Apple&#039;s unwillingness to license their operating system to outside hardware vendors crippled their efforts and allowed Microsoft to assume dominance.   When I mention Microsoft taking over the enterprise segment early in the game, I am referring to one of the outcomes of that decision.

However, I believe that RIM has a very effective safety valve to prevent this type of lockout in the market, and that is their Blackberry Connect solution.  I will discuss BB Connect and its implications in a future post. 

As an aside, I will say that Apple&#039;s end-to-end model has made something of a comeback, and some think that in this &quot;post-PC&quot; era that this is the winning model.  Quoting Walt Mossberg in the Wall Street Journal:
&quot;I think the end-to-end model can prevail this time, both for Apple and other companies. Consumers want choice and low prices. But they also crave the kind of simplicity and integration that the end-to-end model delivers best.&quot;  Mossberg&#039;s article is a good introduction to this hypothesis...you can read it &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114729881894749433-ORYg5V1P3c0KNb715LUzZq56SQ4_20060609.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I&#8217;d like to thank both GG and Awesome-O.  It&#8217;s always an honor to have someone take their valuable time and consider one&#8217;s thoughts.</p>
<p>As for Good Technology, I consider them to be more of a niche player right now in this market. I just don&#8217;t see this company as having nearly the same market heft or resources as Microsoft.  </p>
<p>As for Apple, you are correct in that Apple&#8217;s unwillingness to license their operating system to outside hardware vendors crippled their efforts and allowed Microsoft to assume dominance.   When I mention Microsoft taking over the enterprise segment early in the game, I am referring to one of the outcomes of that decision.</p>
<p>However, I believe that RIM has a very effective safety valve to prevent this type of lockout in the market, and that is their Blackberry Connect solution.  I will discuss BB Connect and its implications in a future post. </p>
<p>As an aside, I will say that Apple&#8217;s end-to-end model has made something of a comeback, and some think that in this &#8220;post-PC&#8221; era that this is the winning model.  Quoting Walt Mossberg in the Wall Street Journal:<br />
&#8220;I think the end-to-end model can prevail this time, both for Apple and other companies. Consumers want choice and low prices. But they also crave the kind of simplicity and integration that the end-to-end model delivers best.&#8221;  Mossberg&#8217;s article is a good introduction to this hypothesis&#8230;you can read it <a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114729881894749433-ORYg5V1P3c0KNb715LUzZq56SQ4_20060609.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Awesome-O</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-40176</link>
		<dc:creator>Awesome-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ah GoodGuy, how you amuse us! :)

please be sure to share whatever you&#039;ve been snorting with the rest of the class. seriously, it must be &#039;good&#039; stuff :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah GoodGuy, how you amuse us! <img src='http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>please be sure to share whatever you&#8217;ve been snorting with the rest of the class. seriously, it must be &#8216;good&#8217; stuff <img src='http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Awesome-O</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-483257</link>
		<dc:creator>Awesome-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ah GoodGuy, how you amuse us! :)

please be sure to share whatever you&#039;ve been snorting with the rest of the class. seriously, it must be &#039;good&#039; stuff :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah GoodGuy, how you amuse us! <img src='http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>please be sure to share whatever you&#8217;ve been snorting with the rest of the class. seriously, it must be &#8216;good&#8217; stuff <img src='http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Awesome-O</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-483258</link>
		<dc:creator>Awesome-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ah GoodGuy, how you amuse us! :)

please be sure to share whatever you&#039;ve been snorting with the rest of the class. seriously, it must be &#039;good&#039; stuff :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah GoodGuy, how you amuse us! <img src='http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>please be sure to share whatever you&#8217;ve been snorting with the rest of the class. seriously, it must be &#8216;good&#8217; stuff <img src='http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Awesome-O</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-483259</link>
		<dc:creator>Awesome-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ah GoodGuy, how you amuse us! :)

please be sure to share whatever you&#039;ve been snorting with the rest of the class. seriously, it must be &#039;good&#039; stuff :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah GoodGuy, how you amuse us! <img src='http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>please be sure to share whatever you&#8217;ve been snorting with the rest of the class. seriously, it must be &#8216;good&#8217; stuff <img src='http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GG</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-40142</link>
		<dc:creator>GG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MSFT is nowhere NEAR being the biggest competitor for RIM.  Good Technology has been eroding RIM&#039;s marketshare for years, recently truly having an impact.  MSFT is limited to only the new devices running WM5, of which the hottest phone on the market right now, the Motorola Q, does not even support.  MSFT does not support the established Treo install base, the upcoming Nokia E62 nor the over 50 million Lotus Notes mailboxes out there.  Very limited addressable market.

The comparision to Apple, however, is dead on.  The comparison should be to Apple&#039;s PC marketshare, which at one time was over 80%.  Closed, proprietary systems killed that market share.  See the correlation?  There has never been a long-term success story from a company that did the hardware, software and operating system.  Wang?  Gone. IBM&#039;s MicroChannel Architecture?  Gone.  Create the space, dominate that space until viable competition comes to bear, lose that dominance.  It is already starting to show with RIM with the recent report of their loss of market share.  The hardware vendors are definitely the competition to RIM with over 70% of RIM&#039;s revenue coming from hardware.  Margins are eroding as the big boys (Motorola, Noka and the like) bring devices to market that support applications, i.e. Good, that provide the exact same fucntionality as Blackberry on a much more diverse, powerful and functional device.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSFT is nowhere NEAR being the biggest competitor for RIM.  Good Technology has been eroding RIM&#8217;s marketshare for years, recently truly having an impact.  MSFT is limited to only the new devices running WM5, of which the hottest phone on the market right now, the Motorola Q, does not even support.  MSFT does not support the established Treo install base, the upcoming Nokia E62 nor the over 50 million Lotus Notes mailboxes out there.  Very limited addressable market.</p>
<p>The comparision to Apple, however, is dead on.  The comparison should be to Apple&#8217;s PC marketshare, which at one time was over 80%.  Closed, proprietary systems killed that market share.  See the correlation?  There has never been a long-term success story from a company that did the hardware, software and operating system.  Wang?  Gone. IBM&#8217;s MicroChannel Architecture?  Gone.  Create the space, dominate that space until viable competition comes to bear, lose that dominance.  It is already starting to show with RIM with the recent report of their loss of market share.  The hardware vendors are definitely the competition to RIM with over 70% of RIM&#8217;s revenue coming from hardware.  Margins are eroding as the big boys (Motorola, Noka and the like) bring devices to market that support applications, i.e. Good, that provide the exact same fucntionality as Blackberry on a much more diverse, powerful and functional device.</p>
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		<title>By: GG</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2006/08/10/thoughtpiece-rims-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-483256</link>
		<dc:creator>GG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MSFT is nowhere NEAR being the biggest competitor for RIM.  Good Technology has been eroding RIM&#039;s marketshare for years, recently truly having an impact.  MSFT is limited to only the new devices running WM5, of which the hottest phone on the market right now, the Motorola Q, does not even support.  MSFT does not support the established Treo install base, the upcoming Nokia E62 nor the over 50 million Lotus Notes mailboxes out there.  Very limited addressable market.

The comparision to Apple, however, is dead on.  The comparison should be to Apple&#039;s PC marketshare, which at one time was over 80%.  Closed, proprietary systems killed that market share.  See the correlation?  There has never been a long-term success story from a company that did the hardware, software and operating system.  Wang?  Gone. IBM&#039;s MicroChannel Architecture?  Gone.  Create the space, dominate that space until viable competition comes to bear, lose that dominance.  It is already starting to show with RIM with the recent report of their loss of market share.  The hardware vendors are definitely the competition to RIM with over 70% of RIM&#039;s revenue coming from hardware.  Margins are eroding as the big boys (Motorola, Noka and the like) bring devices to market that support applications, i.e. Good, that provide the exact same fucntionality as Blackberry on a much more diverse, powerful and functional device.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSFT is nowhere NEAR being the biggest competitor for RIM.  Good Technology has been eroding RIM&#8217;s marketshare for years, recently truly having an impact.  MSFT is limited to only the new devices running WM5, of which the hottest phone on the market right now, the Motorola Q, does not even support.  MSFT does not support the established Treo install base, the upcoming Nokia E62 nor the over 50 million Lotus Notes mailboxes out there.  Very limited addressable market.</p>
<p>The comparision to Apple, however, is dead on.  The comparison should be to Apple&#8217;s PC marketshare, which at one time was over 80%.  Closed, proprietary systems killed that market share.  See the correlation?  There has never been a long-term success story from a company that did the hardware, software and operating system.  Wang?  Gone. IBM&#8217;s MicroChannel Architecture?  Gone.  Create the space, dominate that space until viable competition comes to bear, lose that dominance.  It is already starting to show with RIM with the recent report of their loss of market share.  The hardware vendors are definitely the competition to RIM with over 70% of RIM&#8217;s revenue coming from hardware.  Margins are eroding as the big boys (Motorola, Noka and the like) bring devices to market that support applications, i.e. Good, that provide the exact same fucntionality as Blackberry on a much more diverse, powerful and functional device.</p>
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