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	<title>Comments on: Why doesn&#8217;t the BlackBerry 8820 have SIP support?</title>
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		<title>By: nebula</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-515869</link>
		<dc:creator>nebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You guys are right, RIM does not provide SIP capabilities, but others do! have a look at this:

http://www.blackberryvoip.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are right, RIM does not provide SIP capabilities, but others do! have a look at this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blackberryvoip.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.blackberryvoip.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Whitaker</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-300801</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Whitaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim&#039;s 111% right.

They&#039;re already two years late providing WiFi on the handset

Wifi, a separate data channel to the phone - that would be competition for the data traffic recurring revenue part of the handset wouldn&#039;t it?  

We&#039;d put that off as long as possible, wouldn&#039;t we?  Why give customers choices when you can railroad them into no choices &amp; divvy up the loot?

SIP?  That&#039;d be competition for the recurring revenue part of the handset, wouldn&#039;t it?  E.g. long distance and international calling.  We&#039;d put that off as long as possible, wouldn&#039;t we?  Why hook up the customer when we can force the customer to buy from the company store and share the loot with the carrier?

As with most of the mobile scene in USA, the handset makers care a lot more about how the carriers make out than really &quot;styling&quot; the customer with a decent feature set that saves them money and gives them choices.

The BlackBerry is such a fossil to begin with - their &quot;new super-advanced&quot; model is just now offering 3G about two and a half years late.  

Americans don&#039;t choose their phones.  The carriers do.  

Everybody stateside gets their phone from The Sprint Store or the Verizon or T-Mobile store or whatever, from a heavily pruned lineup of loss leaders &amp; longterm revenue maximizers.

These are not smart purchases, these are simply bait to lure debt-loving Americans to sign up for another long-term debt obligation.

Money-saving features are the ***LAST*** thing you will ever find at the Company Store, on the Two Year Contract plan.

I&#039;m an American living overseas and have been making $400 - $500 a month worth of international calls to US cellphones and landlines for free via SIP with a $200 Nokia E70.  About $8,000 worth of free calling to date.

People - a SIP-capable phone is an investment that *pays you *, something that puts *money in your pocket every day* via free calling via SIP.  For me about $10 every day that I do not pay to a carrier.  I make all the calls, I get all the value, I just do it in a way that means the money stays in my pocket.  My phone pays for itself twice every month.

Your phone, from the Company Store in back home, does not.

Carriers are scheming how to take as much money as legally possible *out* of your pocket every day.  Why would you buy your phone from them?

I could *buy a car* with the $8,000 SIP has saved me over the last 20 months. 

How much money has your two-year contract with the Company Store saved you?  D&#039;ya think they mighta planned it that way?  

Do you even like your phone and service plan that your still probably owe a grand on?  Do you still have the option to pay $200 to get out of your contract?

Prepaid minutes, no contract, SIP, and buying your own phone with your own brain, on the merits, is the way to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim&#8217;s 111% right.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re already two years late providing WiFi on the handset</p>
<p>Wifi, a separate data channel to the phone &#8211; that would be competition for the data traffic recurring revenue part of the handset wouldn&#8217;t it?  </p>
<p>We&#8217;d put that off as long as possible, wouldn&#8217;t we?  Why give customers choices when you can railroad them into no choices &amp; divvy up the loot?</p>
<p>SIP?  That&#8217;d be competition for the recurring revenue part of the handset, wouldn&#8217;t it?  E.g. long distance and international calling.  We&#8217;d put that off as long as possible, wouldn&#8217;t we?  Why hook up the customer when we can force the customer to buy from the company store and share the loot with the carrier?</p>
<p>As with most of the mobile scene in USA, the handset makers care a lot more about how the carriers make out than really &#8220;styling&#8221; the customer with a decent feature set that saves them money and gives them choices.</p>
<p>The BlackBerry is such a fossil to begin with &#8211; their &#8220;new super-advanced&#8221; model is just now offering 3G about two and a half years late.  </p>
<p>Americans don&#8217;t choose their phones.  The carriers do.  </p>
<p>Everybody stateside gets their phone from The Sprint Store or the Verizon or T-Mobile store or whatever, from a heavily pruned lineup of loss leaders &amp; longterm revenue maximizers.</p>
<p>These are not smart purchases, these are simply bait to lure debt-loving Americans to sign up for another long-term debt obligation.</p>
<p>Money-saving features are the ***LAST*** thing you will ever find at the Company Store, on the Two Year Contract plan.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an American living overseas and have been making $400 &#8211; $500 a month worth of international calls to US cellphones and landlines for free via SIP with a $200 Nokia E70.  About $8,000 worth of free calling to date.</p>
<p>People &#8211; a SIP-capable phone is an investment that *pays you *, something that puts *money in your pocket every day* via free calling via SIP.  For me about $10 every day that I do not pay to a carrier.  I make all the calls, I get all the value, I just do it in a way that means the money stays in my pocket.  My phone pays for itself twice every month.</p>
<p>Your phone, from the Company Store in back home, does not.</p>
<p>Carriers are scheming how to take as much money as legally possible *out* of your pocket every day.  Why would you buy your phone from them?</p>
<p>I could *buy a car* with the $8,000 SIP has saved me over the last 20 months. </p>
<p>How much money has your two-year contract with the Company Store saved you?  D&#8217;ya think they mighta planned it that way?  </p>
<p>Do you even like your phone and service plan that your still probably owe a grand on?  Do you still have the option to pay $200 to get out of your contract?</p>
<p>Prepaid minutes, no contract, SIP, and buying your own phone with your own brain, on the merits, is the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Whitaker</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-486723</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Whitaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim&#039;s 111% right.

They&#039;re already two years late providing WiFi on the handset

Wifi, a separate data channel to the phone - that would be competition for the data traffic recurring revenue part of the handset wouldn&#039;t it?  

We&#039;d put that off as long as possible, wouldn&#039;t we?  Why give customers choices when you can railroad them into no choices &amp; divvy up the loot?

SIP?  That&#039;d be competition for the recurring revenue part of the handset, wouldn&#039;t it?  E.g. long distance and international calling.  We&#039;d put that off as long as possible, wouldn&#039;t we?  Why hook up the customer when we can force the customer to buy from the company store and share the loot with the carrier?

As with most of the mobile scene in USA, the handset makers care a lot more about how the carriers make out than really &quot;styling&quot; the customer with a decent feature set that saves them money and gives them choices.

The BlackBerry is such a fossil to begin with - their &quot;new super-advanced&quot; model is just now offering 3G about two and a half years late.  

Americans don&#039;t choose their phones.  The carriers do.  

Everybody stateside gets their phone from The Sprint Store or the Verizon or T-Mobile store or whatever, from a heavily pruned lineup of loss leaders &amp; longterm revenue maximizers.

These are not smart purchases, these are simply bait to lure debt-loving Americans to sign up for another long-term debt obligation.

Money-saving features are the ***LAST*** thing you will ever find at the Company Store, on the Two Year Contract plan.

I&#039;m an American living overseas and have been making $400 - $500 a month worth of international calls to US cellphones and landlines for free via SIP with a $200 Nokia E70.  About $8,000 worth of free calling to date.

People - a SIP-capable phone is an investment that *pays you *, something that puts *money in your pocket every day* via free calling via SIP.  For me about $10 every day that I do not pay to a carrier.  I make all the calls, I get all the value, I just do it in a way that means the money stays in my pocket.  My phone pays for itself twice every month.

Your phone, from the Company Store in back home, does not.

Carriers are scheming how to take as much money as legally possible *out* of your pocket every day.  Why would you buy your phone from them?

I could *buy a car* with the $8,000 SIP has saved me over the last 20 months. 

How much money has your two-year contract with the Company Store saved you?  D&#039;ya think they mighta planned it that way?  

Do you even like your phone and service plan that your still probably owe a grand on?  Do you still have the option to pay $200 to get out of your contract?

Prepaid minutes, no contract, SIP, and buying your own phone with your own brain, on the merits, is the way to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim&#8217;s 111% right.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re already two years late providing WiFi on the handset</p>
<p>Wifi, a separate data channel to the phone &#8211; that would be competition for the data traffic recurring revenue part of the handset wouldn&#8217;t it?  </p>
<p>We&#8217;d put that off as long as possible, wouldn&#8217;t we?  Why give customers choices when you can railroad them into no choices &amp; divvy up the loot?</p>
<p>SIP?  That&#8217;d be competition for the recurring revenue part of the handset, wouldn&#8217;t it?  E.g. long distance and international calling.  We&#8217;d put that off as long as possible, wouldn&#8217;t we?  Why hook up the customer when we can force the customer to buy from the company store and share the loot with the carrier?</p>
<p>As with most of the mobile scene in USA, the handset makers care a lot more about how the carriers make out than really &#8220;styling&#8221; the customer with a decent feature set that saves them money and gives them choices.</p>
<p>The BlackBerry is such a fossil to begin with &#8211; their &#8220;new super-advanced&#8221; model is just now offering 3G about two and a half years late.  </p>
<p>Americans don&#8217;t choose their phones.  The carriers do.  </p>
<p>Everybody stateside gets their phone from The Sprint Store or the Verizon or T-Mobile store or whatever, from a heavily pruned lineup of loss leaders &amp; longterm revenue maximizers.</p>
<p>These are not smart purchases, these are simply bait to lure debt-loving Americans to sign up for another long-term debt obligation.</p>
<p>Money-saving features are the ***LAST*** thing you will ever find at the Company Store, on the Two Year Contract plan.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an American living overseas and have been making $400 &#8211; $500 a month worth of international calls to US cellphones and landlines for free via SIP with a $200 Nokia E70.  About $8,000 worth of free calling to date.</p>
<p>People &#8211; a SIP-capable phone is an investment that *pays you *, something that puts *money in your pocket every day* via free calling via SIP.  For me about $10 every day that I do not pay to a carrier.  I make all the calls, I get all the value, I just do it in a way that means the money stays in my pocket.  My phone pays for itself twice every month.</p>
<p>Your phone, from the Company Store in back home, does not.</p>
<p>Carriers are scheming how to take as much money as legally possible *out* of your pocket every day.  Why would you buy your phone from them?</p>
<p>I could *buy a car* with the $8,000 SIP has saved me over the last 20 months. </p>
<p>How much money has your two-year contract with the Company Store saved you?  D&#8217;ya think they mighta planned it that way?  </p>
<p>Do you even like your phone and service plan that your still probably owe a grand on?  Do you still have the option to pay $200 to get out of your contract?</p>
<p>Prepaid minutes, no contract, SIP, and buying your own phone with your own brain, on the merits, is the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-287601</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t it obvious why RIM has not provided SIP??? Think about it. They provide SIP... companies like truphone &amp; fring start supporting the BB... and the wireless carrier looses money.

You&#039;ll never see a North American company do this. European companies, like Nokia, yes.. but in NA.. never! Not until all parties (handset makers and wireless providers) are assured they will not loose a cent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it obvious why RIM has not provided SIP??? Think about it. They provide SIP&#8230; companies like truphone &amp; fring start supporting the BB&#8230; and the wireless carrier looses money.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll never see a North American company do this. European companies, like Nokia, yes.. but in NA.. never! Not until all parties (handset makers and wireless providers) are assured they will not loose a cent.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-486722</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/005235/#comment-486722</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t it obvious why RIM has not provided SIP??? Think about it. They provide SIP... companies like truphone &amp; fring start supporting the BB... and the wireless carrier looses money.

You&#039;ll never see a North American company do this. European companies, like Nokia, yes.. but in NA.. never! Not until all parties (handset makers and wireless providers) are assured they will not loose a cent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it obvious why RIM has not provided SIP??? Think about it. They provide SIP&#8230; companies like truphone &amp; fring start supporting the BB&#8230; and the wireless carrier looses money.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll never see a North American company do this. European companies, like Nokia, yes.. but in NA.. never! Not until all parties (handset makers and wireless providers) are assured they will not loose a cent.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-231392</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m confused, I spoke with a RIM staffer and he said the MVS service would work with SIP]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused, I spoke with a RIM staffer and he said the MVS service would work with SIP</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-486721</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/005235/#comment-486721</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m confused, I spoke with a RIM staffer and he said the MVS service would work with SIP]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused, I spoke with a RIM staffer and he said the MVS service would work with SIP</p>
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		<title>By: cuvillier</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-188450</link>
		<dc:creator>cuvillier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

SIP is requested by many customers. Their need is clear, they don&#039;t want to have two phones, they only want one and
this is logical. Without SIP, you have to buy, to manage, to power, to maintain ... two phones.

You should take this in consideration.

Regards,

Philippe~~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>SIP is requested by many customers. Their need is clear, they don&#8217;t want to have two phones, they only want one and<br />
this is logical. Without SIP, you have to buy, to manage, to power, to maintain &#8230; two phones.</p>
<p>You should take this in consideration.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Philippe~~</p>
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		<title>By: cuvillier</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-486720</link>
		<dc:creator>cuvillier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/005235/#comment-486720</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

SIP is requested by many customers. Their need is clear, they don&#039;t want to have two phones, they only want one and
this is logical. Without SIP, you have to buy, to manage, to power, to maintain ... two phones.

You should take this in consideration.

Regards,

Philippe~~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>SIP is requested by many customers. Their need is clear, they don&#8217;t want to have two phones, they only want one and<br />
this is logical. Without SIP, you have to buy, to manage, to power, to maintain &#8230; two phones.</p>
<p>You should take this in consideration.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Philippe~~</p>
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		<title>By: NDA</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-182382</link>
		<dc:creator>NDA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/005235/#comment-182382</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[RIM has had a SIP phone for about 2 years. It was part of the 72xx series. It&#039;s the phone companies not coming to terms with the fact they are really just ISP&#039;s in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIM has had a SIP phone for about 2 years. It was part of the 72xx series. It&#8217;s the phone companies not coming to terms with the fact they are really just ISP&#8217;s in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: NDA</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-486719</link>
		<dc:creator>NDA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/005235/#comment-486719</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[RIM has had a SIP phone for about 2 years. It was part of the 72xx series. It&#039;s the phone companies not coming to terms with the fact they are really just ISP&#039;s in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIM has had a SIP phone for about 2 years. It was part of the 72xx series. It&#8217;s the phone companies not coming to terms with the fact they are really just ISP&#8217;s in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: RIM's Wi-Fi partner working offering VoIP &#124; BlackBerry Cool</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-182299</link>
		<dc:creator>RIM's Wi-Fi partner working offering VoIP &#124; BlackBerry Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/005235/#comment-182299</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[[...] The interview postulates an enterprise situation where the software would be especially helpful; if SIP doesn&#8217;t end up coming to the BlackBerry 8820, Devicescape Connect could be the second-best way for enterprise to use [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The interview postulates an enterprise situation where the software would be especially helpful; if SIP doesn&#8217;t end up coming to the BlackBerry 8820, Devicescape Connect could be the second-best way for enterprise to use [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reviewer: BlackBerry 8820 Wi-Fi not so hot &#124; BlackBerry Cool</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-180235</link>
		<dc:creator>Reviewer: BlackBerry 8820 Wi-Fi not so hot &#124; BlackBerry Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] depending on your network, but doesn&#8217;t jibe with many VoIP clients, let alone how the lack of SIP support gets in the way of corporate PBX phone systems. The reviewer also had some issues getting Google Talk running and BlackBerry Maps while on the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] depending on your network, but doesn&#8217;t jibe with many VoIP clients, let alone how the lack of SIP support gets in the way of corporate PBX phone systems. The reviewer also had some issues getting Google Talk running and BlackBerry Maps while on the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-176624</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/005235/#comment-176624</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[wow, you guys make some of the wildest assumptions sometimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, you guys make some of the wildest assumptions sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/why-doesnt-the-blackberry-8820-have-sip-support/comment-page-1/#comment-486718</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blackberrycool.com/2007/08/01/005235/#comment-486718</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[wow, you guys make some of the wildest assumptions sometimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, you guys make some of the wildest assumptions sometimes.</p>
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