Compelling Conversations: North American Carrier Competition, 4G and GSM vs. CDMA

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BlackBerry Cool writers have the privilege of being in constant contact with a variety of wireless industry players. Naturally, we often get in heated or hilarious discussions over recent news. We’ve decided to start posting some of the more interesting conversations, in the hopes that it will spur greater debate. Our test run is a hearty debate over the value of a CDMA carrier switching to GSM, how long until 4G becomes anything more than a ‘wet dream’ and myths about call quality. Enjoy, and please post a comment with your thoughts.

Note: My interlocutor was uncomfortable with being identified, so let’s just call him Fake Ted Rogers.

Fake Ted Rogers: Isn’t saying Bell/Telus is going to GSM kinda like saying Verizon should?
Douglas Soltys: Well, different countries mean different biz scenarios.
Fake Ted Rogers: I’d like to see what the subs are for Tel/Bel compared to Rogers. As in the states Verizon has more than AT&T.
Douglas Soltys: Some would say that Verizon is run much better than Tel/Bel.

Fake Ted Rogers: It’s possible, but I think that Telus does fairly well up here. I think out of the 3 they have more marketing than any.
Douglas Soltys: Better marketing fo sho – high consumer focus.
Fake Ted Rogers: Ya most def. I just don’t see either of those carriers switch to GSM. That’s a large cost… Maybe leasing lines from Rogers but that’s not likely.
Douglas Soltys: Well, if they’re first to 4G, that’s a cost that would put them at a competitive advantage.
Fake Ted Rogers: LoL 4G is someones wet dream still :) Carriers are barely rolling out 3G.

Douglas Soltys: Well, we’re talking strategy in terms of years here. What if they say by 2012, they”ll roll out 4G in metro areas? They get cool devices, Rogers doesn’t have a Canadian monopoly. And they could be bought by a int’l GSM carrier.
Fake Ted Rogers: Ya but going with that thought patern, 3G is just starting to make penetration this year but many thought it was going to be here 2/3 years ago.
Douglas Soltys: I think that was more biz model than tech. Rogers hadn’t figured out how to make money off 3G. Or wasn’t willing to not charge through the nose for everything.

Fake Ted Rogers: Agreed. But who says 4G is any different? It’s a lot of money to upgrade your systems if you can’t make money, very few manufactures have devices and you don’t have the penetration.
Douglas Soltys: Because there will be GSM competition. No more monopoly.
Fake Ted Rogers: Ya but we don’t look at AT&T as having a monopoly, and its not because of TMO but its because of VZW.
Douglas Soltys: True, but also the fact that the US ‘regional’ carriers have as many subs as Rogers.
Fake Ted Rogers: I think this goes back to the “religious” war of cdma is better than GSM or or vice versa.
Douglas Soltys: Its not so religious when every CDMA sub has to wait 10 months for the latest BB.
Fake Ted Rogers: Ya that’s from a BB POV. What about other devices? What about call quality? What about network speeds? Even we are having a long discussion ;)
Douglas Soltys: Yeah. Might be worth posting.

  • Roger

    I agree with the part about CDMA BB Users having to wait 10 months for the new models…that really sucks!

  • Roger

    I agree with the part about CDMA BB Users having to wait 10 months for the new models…that really sucks!

  • Kevin

    I’ve been a CDMA (Sprint) user now for about 7 years and a BB user since the 8807, with my current model being the 8830. If and when ATT will into the Bold, I may have to jump ship to GSM to be an early adopter. One of the pro’s for GSM is the SIM card retains all contact info and when I’m overseas, I would be able to stop in a 711 and pick up a SIM to use locally.

  • Kevin

    I’ve been a CDMA (Sprint) user now for about 7 years and a BB user since the 8807, with my current model being the 8830. If and when ATT will into the Bold, I may have to jump ship to GSM to be an early adopter. One of the pro’s for GSM is the SIM card retains all contact info and when I’m overseas, I would be able to stop in a 711 and pick up a SIM to use locally.

  • YesTheyAre

    There’s no debate – Bell and Telus are switching to GSM. It’s not an “if”. It’s happening.

  • YesTheyAre

    There’s no debate – Bell and Telus are switching to GSM. It’s not an “if”. It’s happening.

  • http://www.compellingconversations.com/ eric

    Standardization will benefit everyone.

  • http://www.compellingconversations.com eric

    Standardization will benefit everyone.

  • http://aztech.ca/ michael

    Telus Nor bell are switching to GSM. They already have a 3G network and have for quite a while. If you do not know this than you do not know what youre talking about and should not be talking. There will be a 4G network launched by Telus and Bell in early 2010. This will open up everything and destroy slow slow slow rogers. It took rogers years to break into the 3G networks how long do you think it will take to get to 4G…. my thought is tooo long. People want speed and will be able to get the fastest possible with telus and bell most likely years before rogers.
    Goodbye rogers its been fun…. not really your billing is ass

  • http://aztech.ca michael

    Telus Nor bell are switching to GSM. They already have a 3G network and have for quite a while. If you do not know this than you do not know what youre talking about and should not be talking. There will be a 4G network launched by Telus and Bell in early 2010. This will open up everything and destroy slow slow slow rogers. It took rogers years to break into the 3G networks how long do you think it will take to get to 4G…. my thought is tooo long. People want speed and will be able to get the fastest possible with telus and bell most likely years before rogers.
    Goodbye rogers its been fun…. not really your billing is ass

  • STan

    wow micheal check the facts… rogers came out with 3/3.5G wayyyy before Bell as they have just launched it recently… plus Rogers just launched a press realese that will have 4G by 2010 ;)

  • STan

    wow micheal check the facts… rogers came out with 3/3.5G wayyyy before Bell as they have just launched it recently… plus Rogers just launched a press realese that will have 4G by 2010 ;)