Comments on: RIM vs carriers: Balsillie & Lazaridis strategies to push App World http://www.blackberrycool.com/2009/05/12/rim-vs-carriers-balsillie-lazaridis-strategies-to-push-app-world/ The voice of the BlackBerry community. Sat, 18 May 2013 20:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Top 10 applications RIM should incorporate into BlackBerry at SmartPhoneCool.com http://www.blackberrycool.com/2009/05/12/rim-vs-carriers-balsillie-lazaridis-strategies-to-push-app-world/comment-page-1/#comment-361954 Top 10 applications RIM should incorporate into BlackBerry at SmartPhoneCool.com Wed, 27 May 2009 23:01:15 +0000 http://www.blackberrycool.com/?p=12492#comment-361954 [...] App World doesn’t fall into the same category as the other applications on my list, due to the fact that it would come preloaded, not included on the OS. I still had to include it on the list because it is a huge hurdle for RIM and carriers to overcome, and it must happen. In order for App World to come preloaded with BlackBerry, the carriers will have to agree to ship devices with the app embedded. Also, they will have to take a major step towards becoming a pipe and not a sales channel. [...]

]]> By: Top 10 applications RIM should incorporate into BlackBerry | BlackBerry Cool http://www.blackberrycool.com/2009/05/12/rim-vs-carriers-balsillie-lazaridis-strategies-to-push-app-world/comment-page-1/#comment-361753 Top 10 applications RIM should incorporate into BlackBerry | BlackBerry Cool Wed, 27 May 2009 12:31:59 +0000 http://www.blackberrycool.com/?p=12492#comment-361753 [...] App World doesn’t fall into the same category as the other applications on my list, due to the fact that it would come preloaded, not included on the OS. I still had to include it on the list because it is a huge hurdle for RIM and carriers to overcome, and it must happen. In order for App World to come preloaded with BlackBerry, the carriers will have to agree to ship devices with the app embedded. Also, they will have to take a major step towards becoming a pipe and not a sales channel. [...]

]]> By: DavidB http://www.blackberrycool.com/2009/05/12/rim-vs-carriers-balsillie-lazaridis-strategies-to-push-app-world/comment-page-1/#comment-356148 DavidB Wed, 13 May 2009 14:39:03 +0000 http://www.blackberrycool.com/?p=12492#comment-356148 RIM needs to figure out a better memory model. The three partition memory scheme currently makes we users jump through far too many hoops managing memory that the OS should be doing for us. And as mentioned, it is flat out STUPID that in 2009 a smartphone ships with only 128MB of RAM for OS and apps.

]]> By: DavidB http://www.blackberrycool.com/2009/05/12/rim-vs-carriers-balsillie-lazaridis-strategies-to-push-app-world/comment-page-1/#comment-499291 DavidB Wed, 13 May 2009 14:39:00 +0000 http://www.blackberrycool.com/?p=12492#comment-499291 RIM needs to figure out a better memory model. The three partition memory scheme currently makes we users jump through far too many hoops managing memory that the OS should be doing for us. And as mentioned, it is flat out STUPID that in 2009 a smartphone ships with only 128MB of RAM for OS and apps.

]]> By: zyphbear http://www.blackberrycool.com/2009/05/12/rim-vs-carriers-balsillie-lazaridis-strategies-to-push-app-world/comment-page-1/#comment-355967 zyphbear Tue, 12 May 2009 18:50:26 +0000 http://www.blackberrycool.com/?p=12492#comment-355967 There are a few issues with this suggestion:
1- As AddictedtoBB said, the amount of onboard memory limits the usage of additional apps, on top of the memory used by App World itself. The sheer amount of memory management and leakage in the BB OS is a major issue as well. After all, even though my BB has about 10MB remaining, it will randomly lockup or stall when typing a text message.
2- I currently am signed up for BIS, NOT BES. I want to control what goes onto my device. Not What they feel like sending me. I am so sick of T-Mobile pushing apps out to my device against my will (I have randomly had Facebook, Handago and MySpace apps pushed to my device as well as their OWN browser bookmarks too) some being very difficult to remove. This would be another App that until the memory management issue gets fixed (and additional memory gets added), I will do everything I can to REMOVE it. I have had App World installed, but it was slow on my Curve 8320 and didn’t really do much that I couldn’t do through other methods for the space it took up, so I removed it.
3- Before the App Store becomes a standard (after both the first and second issue is dealt with), they also need to have a backup option (like the Sidekick: Server side) for all these apps. (Both on PC and Mac). At least with an iPhone, everytime you Sync it, all the apps are backed up. Most BlackBerry users don’t need to actively plug their device into the computer. And with more consumers out there using the Blackberry, even less of them will sync their device either. (And with services such as Google Sync, some of us advanced users don’t need to very often either.)

If the memory/OS bugs are not fixed by this fall, as a user of Blackberries for the past 4 years and several versions of BlackBerry devices, I will be switching to a more consumer device such as Android.

]]> By: zyphbear http://www.blackberrycool.com/2009/05/12/rim-vs-carriers-balsillie-lazaridis-strategies-to-push-app-world/comment-page-1/#comment-499290 zyphbear Tue, 12 May 2009 18:50:00 +0000 http://www.blackberrycool.com/?p=12492#comment-499290 There are a few issues with this suggestion:
1- As AddictedtoBB said, the amount of onboard memory limits the usage of additional apps, on top of the memory used by App World itself. The sheer amount of memory management and leakage in the BB OS is a major issue as well. After all, even though my BB has about 10MB remaining, it will randomly lockup or stall when typing a text message.
2- I currently am signed up for BIS, NOT BES. I want to control what goes onto my device. Not What they feel like sending me. I am so sick of T-Mobile pushing apps out to my device against my will (I have randomly had Facebook, Handago and MySpace apps pushed to my device as well as their OWN browser bookmarks too) some being very difficult to remove. This would be another App that until the memory management issue gets fixed (and additional memory gets added), I will do everything I can to REMOVE it. I have had App World installed, but it was slow on my Curve 8320 and didn’t really do much that I couldn’t do through other methods for the space it took up, so I removed it.
3- Before the App Store becomes a standard (after both the first and second issue is dealt with), they also need to have a backup option (like the Sidekick: Server side) for all these apps. (Both on PC and Mac). At least with an iPhone, everytime you Sync it, all the apps are backed up. Most BlackBerry users don’t need to actively plug their device into the computer. And with more consumers out there using the Blackberry, even less of them will sync their device either. (And with services such as Google Sync, some of us advanced users don’t need to very often either.)

If the memory/OS bugs are not fixed by this fall, as a user of Blackberries for the past 4 years and several versions of BlackBerry devices, I will be switching to a more consumer device such as Android.

]]> By: addictedtoBB http://www.blackberrycool.com/2009/05/12/rim-vs-carriers-balsillie-lazaridis-strategies-to-push-app-world/comment-page-1/#comment-355913 addictedtoBB Tue, 12 May 2009 15:25:13 +0000 http://www.blackberrycool.com/?p=12492#comment-355913 The only way this will EVER make any money for anyone is if RIM adds memory to their devices. What in the hell is the point of AppWorld if when you install more than 5 apps your phone locks up and goes to crap because of lack of memory? Until these programs can run off of the memory cards installed in them, this is all a waste of time.

You don’t see an iPhone (yes, the devil incarnate) crashing with the installation of a handful of apps do you? I have a friend with over 150 and the phone works the same as it would with only one installed. Memory and app ‘power’ if you will is just one area that is going to continue to pull RIM down in the market. I’m not sure why they can’t improve this.

]]> By: addictedtoBB http://www.blackberrycool.com/2009/05/12/rim-vs-carriers-balsillie-lazaridis-strategies-to-push-app-world/comment-page-1/#comment-499289 addictedtoBB Tue, 12 May 2009 15:25:00 +0000 http://www.blackberrycool.com/?p=12492#comment-499289 The only way this will EVER make any money for anyone is if RIM adds memory to their devices. What in the hell is the point of AppWorld if when you install more than 5 apps your phone locks up and goes to crap because of lack of memory? Until these programs can run off of the memory cards installed in them, this is all a waste of time.

You don’t see an iPhone (yes, the devil incarnate) crashing with the installation of a handful of apps do you? I have a friend with over 150 and the phone works the same as it would with only one installed. Memory and app ‘power’ if you will is just one area that is going to continue to pull RIM down in the market. I’m not sure why they can’t improve this.

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