Comments on: Is RIM in Need of More Redundancy to Prevent Outages?

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[...] hit that prevented web access. This latest outage was so soon after the prior outage that pundits are wondering what RIM can do to prevent them from happening so often. My newbie Crackberry spouse was almost [...]

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By: Ebscer

Ebscer — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:29:12 +0000

I think breaking up their backend into smaller geography based networks would help. In the event that something like this happens again, it would be likely that only some areas would be affected. I would not prevent problems but would limit them to say California, instead of all of North America…

By: Ebscer

Ebscer — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:29:00 +0000

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By: Caspan

Caspan — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:24:47 +0000

@DM I agree with you but again we are all assuming they don’t already have this. As I mentioned in my blog entry the issue that happened during the past 2 outages no matter how many NOCs or redundancy RIM has this problem would have still occurred. the only solution to this is to allow users to use insecure sources other then their NOC to get data to the device. now the second you disconnect from the NOC you loose all NOC provided services like Windows Live Messenger, BBM, Google Talk etc.. all those great free services.

One thing that I did not think of yesterday was the fact that how did BBM manage to take down their master database that has control to everything else? Maybe they should start segmenting and tiering their databases for applications so one major flaw cant effect the rest of the database servers running other services. But again I would assume they did have this but it was making calls back to a master database for user information or other info that is not stored in the BBM database which if you can imagine would just be like a DOS attack from their own application. Kinda hard to stop that kind of attack. It’s like the military satellites programmed to ignore our missiles but then we shoot one at ourself.. kinda hard without some reprogramming to now defend against yourself..

I guess the programmers or network admins have never seen X-Files “Trust No One” it’s a security model I live by because a lot of the time the attack you expect will never happen but the one you don’t will!

By: Caspan

Caspan — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:24:00 +0000

By: Diego Nei

Diego Nei — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:35:25 +0000

@DM. I agree completely.

By: Diego Nei

Diego Nei — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:35:00 +0000

@DM. I agree completely.

By: Caspan

Caspan — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:09:53 +0000

Kyle you got my brain going and you gave me inspiration to do my 4th installment of “RIM should have though of this first!” So to answer your questions since it’s long here is a link to my blog.

http://caspan.com/?p=54

By: Caspan

Caspan — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:09:00 +0000

http://caspan.com/?p=54

By: Caspan

Caspan — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:09:00 +0000

http://caspan.com/?p=54

By: RIM should have thought of this first! – Episode 4 « Idealisticly Caspan

RIM should have thought of this first! – Episode 4 « Idealisticly Caspan — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:07:45 +0000

[...] the question was proposed by Kyle at BlackBerry Cool (http://www.blackberrycool.com/2009/12/28/is-rim-in-need-of-more-redundancy-to-prevent-outages/) does RIM need more redundancy or more NOCs to prevent these outages? That got my brain turning [...]

By: AlucardFair

AlucardFair — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:53:50 +0000

@DM, well put bud! I would rather RIM be redundant, than have the entire network affected. I depend more on my device for its stable content and security rather than apps. I do use apps, but mainly use my device for quick browsing and email. I can’t do that if the server is down. I say leave it in thr hands of the NOC and just upgrade it.

By: AlucardFair

AlucardFair — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:53:00 +0000

By: DM

DM — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:10:14 +0000

My thoughts? Leave it in the control of the NOC, but invest in a multi routing solution. If they can handle BES and BIS as a split, then why not have multi routing? Have 4 chain routed systems which are each capable of holding the entire network. If they feel that an upgrade is needed, move everyone from 1 server and push the update… move some people back and see if there are problems…. if everything is clear, then move everyone over to server 1 and push the update to the other 3. If it didn’t work, then move the affected users back to server 2 and roll back the version on server 1. Yes, I know it is redundancy… but how can you lose with a system like that?

By: DM

DM — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:10:00 +0000